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	<title>Comments on: A Look at Nassau and Suffolk County&#8217;s Layoff Casualties</title>
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		<title>By: NC taxpayer</title>
		<link>http://archive.longislandpress.com/2012/05/03/suffolk-county-layoff-casualties/comment-page-1/#comment-508365</link>
		<dc:creator>NC taxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 14:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I&#039;m sympathetic towards the woman who was downsized after 19 years of working as a MESSENGER for the county, she doesn&#039;t seem to recognize that she is partly complicit in her downfall. $40K is an awful lot during these tough economic times to pay somebody to do a job that a high school dropout could manage. It must have been quite obvious to the bean counters the BROKE and OVERTAXED county taxpayers could do without her delivering interoffice envelopes when we have email and other forms of digital delivery. 

What did she do in those 19 years to increase her job skills to make herself more employable? Nothing, it seems. You have to keep developing your job skills and aptitudes or expect to be felled by the axe. It&#039;s not the taxpayers&#039; job to provide people like her with an income for life. Adapt, or get paved over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m sympathetic towards the woman who was downsized after 19 years of working as a MESSENGER for the county, she doesn&#8217;t seem to recognize that she is partly complicit in her downfall. $40K is an awful lot during these tough economic times to pay somebody to do a job that a high school dropout could manage. It must have been quite obvious to the bean counters the BROKE and OVERTAXED county taxpayers could do without her delivering interoffice envelopes when we have email and other forms of digital delivery. </p>
<p>What did she do in those 19 years to increase her job skills to make herself more employable? Nothing, it seems. You have to keep developing your job skills and aptitudes or expect to be felled by the axe. It&#8217;s not the taxpayers&#8217; job to provide people like her with an income for life. Adapt, or get paved over.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 02:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Public employees made a deal.  Lower pay in return for a pension and medical.  Now, because of abuses, jealousy by those without the benefits, and poor political leadership,it&#039;s apparently time to change the rules.  Ignorant and arrogant.  Such tactics do not address the real economic problems they only make people feel better and allow politicians to say how tough they are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public employees made a deal.  Lower pay in return for a pension and medical.  Now, because of abuses, jealousy by those without the benefits, and poor political leadership,it&#8217;s apparently time to change the rules.  Ignorant and arrogant.  Such tactics do not address the real economic problems they only make people feel better and allow politicians to say how tough they are.</p>
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		<title>By: mark g</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 17:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jess and the author Berkman ignore the main facts/costs - the mandates and stressors of the out of control pensions/disability kill the system - the furture generations pay]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess and the author Berkman ignore the main facts/costs &#8211; the mandates and stressors of the out of control pensions/disability kill the system &#8211; the furture generations pay</p>
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		<title>By: mark g</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 17:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[while emotions are high and everyone has a point listed below are the facts (not political opinion or feeling) my 2nd grader understands hopefully so will Messrrs. Farrell and Larichsua- kudos to Mangano for doing his job - EastMan kodack- US Steel and now American Airlines went chap 11 bc of retirees -now the Federal PBR is 8 billion short 

-the baby boomers as whole out number 2.7 to 1
in terms of current population 

-Retire pensions AND medical benefits are consuming 30-40% of the BUDGET agreements and mandates etc - they or the union will not take a cut nor will pay for their medical the # of retirees equal/exceed the number of the employed municapl labor force!!!!then you add in disability pymts- 

house being built on stilts - with respect to my buddy a retired cop 90k tax free pension and no medical payments - so this is why the blades are out - until the retirees take a modest cut and pay some medical the down ward trend will continue 

AND yes the school taxs are 66% and the county is only 33% - schools same thing - retirees are stressing the unsustainable system - I would leave here tomorrow if i could !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while emotions are high and everyone has a point listed below are the facts (not political opinion or feeling) my 2nd grader understands hopefully so will Messrrs. Farrell and Larichsua- kudos to Mangano for doing his job &#8211; EastMan kodack- US Steel and now American Airlines went chap 11 bc of retirees -now the Federal PBR is 8 billion short </p>
<p>-the baby boomers as whole out number 2.7 to 1<br />
in terms of current population </p>
<p>-Retire pensions AND medical benefits are consuming 30-40% of the BUDGET agreements and mandates etc &#8211; they or the union will not take a cut nor will pay for their medical the # of retirees equal/exceed the number of the employed municapl labor force!!!!then you add in disability pymts- </p>
<p>house being built on stilts &#8211; with respect to my buddy a retired cop 90k tax free pension and no medical payments &#8211; so this is why the blades are out &#8211; until the retirees take a modest cut and pay some medical the down ward trend will continue </p>
<p>AND yes the school taxs are 66% and the county is only 33% &#8211; schools same thing &#8211; retirees are stressing the unsustainable system &#8211; I would leave here tomorrow if i could !</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 14:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reply to David, 
Take it to the State and Federal Govement- the programs are sent down without funding. Your tax bill is 90% schools NOT County Gov&#039;t If you &quot;scrap all gov&#039;t service&quot; it would only lower your taxes of 10,000 by about $250.00 to $300.00 a year - That&#039;s All services You would still be paying 7,500.00 in taxes and the schools will jump on that so in 2 years you will be paying $10,000 and get nothing. Buy a new snow shovel. and get a gun]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to David,<br />
Take it to the State and Federal Govement- the programs are sent down without funding. Your tax bill is 90% schools NOT County Gov&#8217;t If you &#8220;scrap all gov&#8217;t service&#8221; it would only lower your taxes of 10,000 by about $250.00 to $300.00 a year &#8211; That&#8217;s All services You would still be paying 7,500.00 in taxes and the schools will jump on that so in 2 years you will be paying $10,000 and get nothing. Buy a new snow shovel. and get a gun</p>
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		<title>By: Tony S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 07:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jess.. the police aren&#039;t protecting you, the parks are a mess and roads are crumbling yet you live in the highest taxed county in the United States and you want to pay even more taxes?
That is the very definition of insanity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess.. the police aren&#8217;t protecting you, the parks are a mess and roads are crumbling yet you live in the highest taxed county in the United States and you want to pay even more taxes?<br />
That is the very definition of insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 22:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David, I&#039;m not advocating &quot;tax and spend&quot; anything--I&#039;m advocating sensible policies that protect vital services.

But since you went there, don&#039;t believe what you hear from the talking heads on the radio. At appropriate times, &quot;tax and spend&quot; works very well (like for the TVA, WPA and so on). But again, that&#039;s _not_ what we&#039;re talking about.

If you want the quality of life maintained here, then services must be protected. These are services that are done more efficiently in the public sector, just as Medicare is far more efficient than private health insurance companies.

Regarding your tax bill--and I have a large property tax bill myself--about 20% is county taxes. If an annual 2% increase was needed to keep up with costs and maintain services, that increase on your $10k bill (since it&#039;s 2% on the 20% that&#039;s county taxes) would come to about $3 a month. Actually, just over $2 a month net, once you get your federal tax deduction.

I can spare another $2 a month to make sure my roads are plowed, my streetlights are on and the police department stays strong to keep us safe. And if most people didn&#039;t listen to political scare tactics and saw that that&#039;s the kind of number we&#039;re talking about, I think they&#039;d feel the same way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I&#8217;m not advocating &#8220;tax and spend&#8221; anything&#8211;I&#8217;m advocating sensible policies that protect vital services.</p>
<p>But since you went there, don&#8217;t believe what you hear from the talking heads on the radio. At appropriate times, &#8220;tax and spend&#8221; works very well (like for the TVA, WPA and so on). But again, that&#8217;s _not_ what we&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>If you want the quality of life maintained here, then services must be protected. These are services that are done more efficiently in the public sector, just as Medicare is far more efficient than private health insurance companies.</p>
<p>Regarding your tax bill&#8211;and I have a large property tax bill myself&#8211;about 20% is county taxes. If an annual 2% increase was needed to keep up with costs and maintain services, that increase on your $10k bill (since it&#8217;s 2% on the 20% that&#8217;s county taxes) would come to about $3 a month. Actually, just over $2 a month net, once you get your federal tax deduction.</p>
<p>I can spare another $2 a month to make sure my roads are plowed, my streetlights are on and the police department stays strong to keep us safe. And if most people didn&#8217;t listen to political scare tactics and saw that that&#8217;s the kind of number we&#8217;re talking about, I think they&#8217;d feel the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 20:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reply to Jess,
Tax and spend policies dont work, havent in the past and will not in the future]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to Jess,<br />
Tax and spend policies dont work, havent in the past and will not in the future</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 20:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[why do we even have govt agencies? its NOT the role of govt to provide our every need, scrap social services, nothing but a handout of MY hard earned money. i struggle to pay the 10,000 a year property tax NOW, and its funny, those who use social services are NOT the ones who pay the taxes, its ME, the middle class, and taxes are killing me]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do we even have govt agencies? its NOT the role of govt to provide our every need, scrap social services, nothing but a handout of MY hard earned money. i struggle to pay the 10,000 a year property tax NOW, and its funny, those who use social services are NOT the ones who pay the taxes, its ME, the middle class, and taxes are killing me</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 18:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s sad what&#039;s being done to our governmental agencies. No, I don&#039;t work there. I&#039;m in the private sector, but I do want the services there when I need them. I want to know police will be available to protect me, the roads will be plowed in the winter, the streetlights will be kept working, the parks will be kept clean, etc.

This &quot;never raise taxes&quot; shell game is making a mockery of responsible governance. Cutting waste is great. Looking for efficiencies, modernizing, utilizing technology... all great things. But costs go up every year, even if you don&#039;t add a single extra employee. People expect raises--and that&#039;s not unreasonable most of the time, even if the increases are just modest cost of living adjustments--benefits costs rise and so on. To suggest that we can maintain the level of services that help make this area what it is while never raising taxes is absurd. Both parties lack the guts to speak plainly and honestly to the voters, and instead they&#039;re destroying our essential services a little at a time.

By the way, those people whose jobs they&#039;re taking support local businesses with the money they take home. It&#039;s not like it&#039;s getting shipped overseas. That money helps keep our economy going. More unemployed people just hurts all of us!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad what&#8217;s being done to our governmental agencies. No, I don&#8217;t work there. I&#8217;m in the private sector, but I do want the services there when I need them. I want to know police will be available to protect me, the roads will be plowed in the winter, the streetlights will be kept working, the parks will be kept clean, etc.</p>
<p>This &#8220;never raise taxes&#8221; shell game is making a mockery of responsible governance. Cutting waste is great. Looking for efficiencies, modernizing, utilizing technology&#8230; all great things. But costs go up every year, even if you don&#8217;t add a single extra employee. People expect raises&#8211;and that&#8217;s not unreasonable most of the time, even if the increases are just modest cost of living adjustments&#8211;benefits costs rise and so on. To suggest that we can maintain the level of services that help make this area what it is while never raising taxes is absurd. Both parties lack the guts to speak plainly and honestly to the voters, and instead they&#8217;re destroying our essential services a little at a time.</p>
<p>By the way, those people whose jobs they&#8217;re taking support local businesses with the money they take home. It&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s getting shipped overseas. That money helps keep our economy going. More unemployed people just hurts all of us!</p>
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